Claim: A Trump Success With North Korea Would Accelerate Global Warming

President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

President Trump and North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un. Kim Jonf-un by Blue House (Republic of Korea), KOGL, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67097951

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon / James Delingpole / Breitbart – Progressives are alarmed that if President Trump successfully defuses the North Korean nuclear standoff, a flood of North Korean coal on world markets might accelerate global warming.

Here’s how climate factors into Trump’s talks with Kim

NORTH KOREA
Jean Chemnick, E&E News reporter
Published: Monday, May 21, 2018

Experts doubt the climate pact will play a role in the historic meeting between Trump and Kim scheduled for next month in Singapore. But if the summit occurs, they say, it could have a negative effect on global warming.

That’s because if sanctions against North Korea are lifted, the hermit nation’s coal could flow onto the world market, with the bulk of it ending up in South Korea, Japan and China. Also, the United States and its allies once again are offering to help North Korea provide electricity to its people — a sweetener that has been used in the past and that would likely be accomplished with fossil fuel technology that would take advantage of North Korea’s domestic coal reserves.

The country has an estimated 100 billion metric tons of coal in reserve, and exporting it is an economic mainstay. Last year, the U.N. Security Council responded to North Korea’s missile tests by slapping a $400 million annual cap on North Korean coal exports.

Ming Wan, a professor of government and politics at George Mason University, said the loss of access to the Chinese market has been particularly painful for Pyongyang. China had been increasing its purchases of North Korean coal in recent years. Reuters reported last week that North Korean traders have responded to hopes that sanctions might be lifted soon by selling coal to Chinese buyers at cut-rate prices and stockpiling it for them inside North Korea.

The relaxation of sanctions would almost certainly be part of any deal to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear arsenal.

Most ordinary North Koreans live without power during the day, despite the country’s status as a net energy exporter. That energy poverty kept North Korea’s greenhouse gas emissions at 63.8 metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent in 2013, while South Korea put out 673.5 MtCO2e — more than 10 times as much.

Pompeo said if North Korea denuclearized, U.S. capital would flow into sectors of its economy ranging from agriculture to power infrastructure.

Read more (paywalled): https://www.eenews.net/climatewire/stories/1060082225/search?keyword=north+korea

I think I understand the point E&E is trying to make. We shouldn’t be trying to improve the lives of North Koreans, we should be learning from them, so we shall know how to survive when our carbon footprints are reduced to North Korean levels.

95 thoughts on “Claim: A Trump Success With North Korea Would Accelerate Global Warming

  1. Most ordinary North Koreans live without power during the day, despite the country’s status as a net energy exporter.

    Not good at all.

  2. The goal of the left is to make the Western democracies like North Korea. They. of course would rull us in profligate splendour like Kim and his mates.

    • Top definition
      rull
      The duration of time shortly following an experience of an immense amount of swag or the accomplishment of something great.

      I guess that fits. Somewhere vbetween rule us and gull us…

  3. Predictable

    The elite green blob more interested in maintaining their own comfortable lives than liberating an entire country from poverty.

    Qu’ils mangent de la brioche.

    • Ditto in South Africa – for 10 years the ANC government, led by Jacob Zuma, have been robbing the country blind. And we have 18 million on some kind of welfare grant, and about 4 million actual taxpayers. AND the government want to go green, with renewable power and a carbon tax…

      • If you think it’s bad now, just wait until the friends of the current government ministers start grabbing farmland for themselves.
        Zimbabwe went from the bread basket of Africa to a basket case in just a couple of years following just that program.

      • And could only escape an inflationary death spiral by annulling their own currency and adopting a foreign currency instead. The US Dollar, to be precise.

  4. Can we in the UK have some of this coal please?
    That way:
    1) our climate (supposedly) will warm;
    2) our electricity will be cheaper;
    3) we have some nice power stations in Yorkshire that can be reconverted back to coal, thus saving forests and wildlife in the eastern USA.
    3 wins! What’s not to like?

  5. Don’t expect too much from North Korea. link

    President Trump reminds me somewhat of President Reagan. link The Soviets couldn’t be sure what Reagan would do. They had to treat him seriously and had to follow his lead into an arms race that wrecked the Soviet economy and resulted in its breakup. link

    North Korea doesn’t know what Trump will do. For sure he will not grovel to get some kind of useless deal. The only constraint is China which has said it will not tolerate an unfriendly regime on the other side of the Yalu river. Other than that, all possibilities are on the table.

    • commieBob

      No need for regime change in N. Korea. Just stop the nuclear posturing and sanctions will be lifted.

      If China had half a brain they would have done this long ago and included Kim in their recent success. As it is, Kim must feel like the west is the only way to get out of the political minefield China (and his predecessors) have created for him.

      His Army will, of course, be the main problem.

      • commieBob

        I suspect ‘The mouse that roared gave his old man ideas, but I also suspect, and hope, our current Kim understands the difference between ideology and reality.

        He see’ s Chinese billionaires with the money yet not his responsibility. Chinese communism converting to Capitalism in all but political name.

        The guy must be asking himself the question ‘why me’? Why am I propping up ideological communism when everyone else profits by abandoning it?

        Socialism and communism seem appealing when one imagines they are achievable. But living the life reveals reality.

        And whilst his ideological father was the product of two people, so is he, and his mothers genetic influence might be manifesting itself in a productive way.

        One never knows.

  6. This is a nutty article. The journalist gives no authority for his claim that NK has 100 billion tones of coal reserve. According to Wiki, that is more than China. Wiki says they have about 600 million tons; less than Albania. Probably no-one really knows, but a guess from this E&E guy won’t help.

    As for “that energy poverty”, sanctions stop NK exporting coal. They don’t stop them using it.

    • The article is massively nutty… But…

      Coal

      Coal and iron ore exports are key drivers of North Korea’s economy, and the country has considerable proved coal reserves, estimated at 662 million short tons in 2014. North Korea is the global leader in anthracite coal exports, most of which are sent to China. The country’s coal exports generated nearly $1.2 billion (about 40% of total exports in terms of revenue) in 2016. North Korea has received most of its mining machinery, infrastructure, and training from China. Many of the ports and rail facilities involved in this trade are jointly owned and operated by Chinese-Korean ventures.

      Almost all of North Korea’s coal exports are sent to China, which has increased its shipments of coal from North Korea in the past few years. According to customs data from various countries, North Korea exported nearly 25 million short tons of coal in 2016, a 15% increase from 2015 levels. The UN tightened sanctions on North Korea in late 2016 and imposed a cap on coal exports from North Korea not to exceed 7.5 million tons (8.3 million short tons) or $400 million in 2017, whichever is reached first. China decided to suspend all coal imports from North Korea beginning in February 2017 through the remainder of the year in an effort to comply with these sanctions.

      https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis.cfm?iso=PRK

      Reserves ≠ Production

    • Like the author you didn’t do your homework Nick. The authors claim is wrong because he misread it from here
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_North_Korea

      North Korea is also abundant in coal and limestone (with 100 billion metric tonnes), valued at some US$9.7 trillion

      What got lost to him is it was a combined figure of coal and limestone with the limestone being the larger.

      The actual proven reserves of coal in North Korea agreed by most exploration groups is 4.5Million tons and to put that in perspective that is twice the reserves at the proposed Adani Carmichael coal mine in Queensland Australia.

      It is sizeable by any means and if the greens groups are worried about about the Carmichael coal mine going ahead they would have to be worried about that lot being used. So I would say the green concerns reported are correct.

      North Korea has only two sources of electrical power generation coal and hydropower. The last reported breakdown was coal accounted for about 86% of production but there totally energy consumption peaked at 224 TWh for a year.

      A tonne of coal produces roughly 2 MWh of energy so they are using 224000/2 = 112000 tons of coal a year, at 86% that is 96,000 tons. So now 4,500,000/96,000 = 46.875 years

      So basically in answer to your question Nick they are using it but there consumption is so low they have over 50 years supply just in proven resources without finding another source.

      • I was provoked by the above to look at the proposed Adani mine and the actual figures submitted are

        In the Queensland Land and Environment Court, Adani said it expects the mine to produce 2.3 billion tonnes of coal over 60 years.[4] This implies average production of around 40 million tonnes a year.

        That number is substantially bigger than the initial industry estimates. The coal is a lower quality but on those numbers the proposed Adani mine is a lot bigger than the entire reserves of North Korea.

      • According to Euracol ‘the voice of coal in Europe’: ‘The UK has identified hard coal resources of 3,560 million tonnes, although total resources could be as large as 187 billion tonnes. About 80 million tonnes of the economically recoverable reserves are available in shallow deposits capable of being extracted by surface mining. There are also about 1 000 million tonnes of lignite resources, mainly in Northern Ireland, although no lignite is mined at present.’

        https://euracoal.eu/info/country-profiles/united-kingdom/

        That must explain why we’re burning American trees.

      • What is the situation on clean coal. Tony Heller claims that you can make a coal plant so clean that the emissions are no more than a natural gas plant.

      • @LdB;

        You wrote “4.5 million” where I believe you meant “4.5 billion”.

        Also, your Wiki source is in bad shape, mixing million and billion with gay abandon. In one paragraph magnesite reserves are “6 billion tonnes”, and in the next paragraph they are “4 million tons”.

  7. It may only possibly contribute to globule warming because all those liberal heads would be exploding and releasing all that “carbon” intot he atmosphere.

    • “…modernization is evil.”

      Then take their electronic junk and toys and “comfort” stuff away from them and make them live the way the Norks do – in utter poverty, with poor nutrition at best, zero at its worst, freezing cold in the winter and no A/C in the summer, among all the other things they take for granted.

      Put them in a NoMansLand of Nothing Modern and see how long they last. I’d give it about a half hour before they start crying.

    • It’s not so much modernization as it’s prosperity.
      It’s not so much prosperity as it’s other people’s prosperity.

  8. Well, ye, you can expect that North Korean energy use and standard of living will skyrocket toward South Korean’s and Chinese’s… so what? “You quit your WMD, we help you getting wealthier, and you can even keep your dictatorship” seems a fair deal to me.
    Looks to me you need to live in an alternate mental universe to worry about climate change impact of a happy solution of the current unpleasant Korean situation.
    But obviously, lots of warmunists DO think that climate change issue supersede any other, including war, hunger, poverty, etc. so this shouldn’t be a surprise that someone tell so.

  9. OK, so bringing the Norks out of the Stone Age and starvation into the modern world won’t benefit them in anyway, and selling their coal on the open market will damage the hearts and minds of freeloading CAGWers, Warmians, and all the other angst-ridden idiots on the Fear of Warmth side of the fence.
    Are those people even vaguely aware of the fact that North Koreans use human waste for fertilizer in farming, and as a result, they are riddled with parasites? And this is only one of many issues that abound in North Korea.
    No? I mean, I know that they don’t care at all, but if they had to live that way, they might shut up… or not.
    They don’t live in the Real World. How does one drive reality into those dormant organs they have for brains….?

    • Human manure was used in Japan (not much any more), and produced the same parasite problem. My father was based at Cure on the Inland Sea in 1948/49. They were warned to eat only cooked food to avoid infection, as the locals were immune to a greater or lesser degree, but the occupying British, Australians and Americans weren’t. Not nice to get parasites.

    • Geezums, Sara. If you keep it up with that kind of “stuff” folks are going to decide that you are a rationalist instead of a skeptic.

      • I am a practicing Pragmatist, thomasjK. I try to look at the many facets presented on subject matter.

        But sometimes, I just have to stick my oar into the mud. In this case, when the most recent defection (December 2017) was someone so desperate to escape that hellhole that he stole a vehicle and drove to the DMZ and then ran for his life, wounded, but alive, he was found to be infested with all sorts of intestinal parasites.

        It was plain as day that a collective hellhole existence in a place like that is utter hell. And that is what the Leftreds seem to want for the rest of us. I think that THEY should be the first to experience it. Just my view.

  10. Experts doubt the climate pact will play a role in the historic meeting between Trump and Kim scheduled for next month in Singapore. But if the summit occurs, they say, it could have a negative effect on global warming.

    Experts? I doubt that. They would prefer a continuing N. Korean nuclear weapons program instead? That’s seriously warped judgement.

    • ,I>An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. Niels Bohr

  11. …A Trump Success With North Korea Would Accelerate Global Warming…

    I had wondered what the Left would do if there was peace between North and South Korea on Trump’s watch.

    They gave Obama a ‘Nobel Peace Prize’ for doing absolutely nothing. So they will be severely embarrassed if Trump establishes a detente between the two. Of course they would not give him any recognition for this, but what would be their excuse? Now, I think they’ve found it….

  12. The first question that came to my mind is why have we been shipping coal to DPRK since the 1990s if they have so much coal to sell?

    • 2hotel9

      Wrong type of coal mate.

      We sell them crap, they sell us the good stuff, at vastly inflated prices.

      • We weren’t selling it to them, it was given to them beginning under Clinton Admin to “induce” them to stop developing nuclear weapons. Millions of tons of wheat, too. And millions of gallons of diesel and gasoline. Really worked out well, right?

  13. The intersection of nevertrump spin with global carbon micromanagement is a new low for green psychosis.

  14. “Accelerate Global Warming”. Need to quantify – how many 0.001 degrees C per century?

  15. So now the climate is more important than peace? Why did John Lennon sing and talk about peace so much then?

    • Because he obviously wasn’t aware of global warming. You can trust him to be perfectly aligned with liberals, and to sing about climate change if still alive

  16. Opening up world markets to North Korea isn’t going to add much to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It’s a non-issue except to those who see any such development in the worst light possible.

    If Trump can fix the North Korea problem it will be a great thing for the whole world. Horrific wars must be avoided as much as is possible. Sometimes though, it is not possible to avoid horrific wars. Sometimes circumstances force us to act in our self-interests. Let’s hope Kim Jung Un doesn’t put us in unfortunate circumstances by backing out on the deal. He knows what the deal is: Complete, verifiable denuclearization. Backing out now would not endear him to the world and would only make his precarious position worse.

    • TA

      I’m not so convinced of the horrific ‘war’ bit.

      I’m pretty certain it would be horrific, but not so much for the West.

  17. So if I get this argument, keeping people starving in prison camps is the preferential way to save the planet if you have strong Erlich-ian leanings? Sounds about right,

  18. Somebody actually spent time writing this up and putting it on the internet. What a waste of time and money.

    We need to find something else for these people to do.

    • Yes, Bill, I marvel that people are getting paid/making a living off this kind of refuse. It’s become an epidemic.

  19. “Korean traders have responded to hopes that sanctions might be lifted soon by selling coal to Chinese buyers at cut-rate prices and stockpiling it for them inside North Korea.”

    That’s known as “dumping” on the market and bad for business competitors.

    When did E&E take a turn towards delusion?
    This article from E&E is shallow and riddled with inaccuracies as numerous commenters above have pointed out errors.

    • There’s extra cost in that while they are paying for the coal now they won’t be able to take delivery of the coal until sometime in the future. If ever.

  20. And any peace there on the Korean peninsula would mean that the chances of a nuclear exchange would be reduced — and a nuclear exchange would certainly cause a sharp drop in global temperatures. Isn’t that what the alarmists want?

  21. The left has an absolute blind hatred for Donald Trump. Anything he does no matter how good it is will be viewed as bad by the left.

    • David S

      The left will never be converted, in much the same way the left can’t convert the right.

      It’s the floating voters in between that matter.

      So far, I reckon Trump is converting them in droves.

      • The silent majority speaks nothing and carries a very big stick to the polling place.

    • Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and CNN’s breaking news would declare it a hateful attack on the good people of the American Cancer Society and the Cancer Treatment Centers of America, who are now out of work. Then some wacko feminist professora would come on and call for all right-thinking women to refuse the cure because it’s a product of the oppressive patriarchy.

  22. Just when I thought they couldn’t get any dumber…….

    As to Kim and his regime, we should be using the Japanese absolute and unconditional surrender as our example to Kim and Company in North Korea. Yes they were subjected to humiliation, but they got to keep their Emperor, and they have lived pretty damn well ever since. They even like us! In contrast, look how long it has taken for a country like Vietnam or Korea to come out of isolation and poverty while resisting the West. Which way works better? China simply wants to keep Korea as their vassal, without any possibility of threatening them from across the river. If the Chinese and Koreans didn’t hate the Japanese so much, they might see the light. Maybe China doesn’t really want North Korea to succeed.

  23. So now it is necessary to resist peace for the sake of the planet? The left have completely stood on its head.

    • You gotta remember – the human race is the problem – and therefore an obstacle that needs clearing away.
      How many times have you heard an activist refer to the human race as a ‘pestilence’. Don’t kid yourself, they mean it.
      Not themselves, of course – they are the enlightened elite.

    • Yes they have.
      “Progressives”are now reactionary haters, relying on magical thinking.

  24. So if Trump makes a deal with Krazy Kim III, North Korea burns more coal and global temperatures rise by 0.001 C or thereabouts.

    This seems like a better alternative than a mushroom cloud over Seoul or Tokyo.

  25. I thought they’d claim it was because the North Korean economy would improve and they would burn more fossil fuels.

  26. “if sanctions against North Korea are lifted, the hermit nation’s coal could flow onto the world market, with the bulk of it ending up in South Korea, Japan and China.”

    And if not, those countries will still be buying the coal. The difference being, coal would probably be a little cheaper if NK got to sell theirs. Anything to keep fossil fuels as expensive as possible…

  27. Odd that some who claim to speak for Ma’ Gaia are more concerned about North Korea’s coal being burned that they are about people being burned by North Korea’s nuke.

    • Typo!
      ” burned that they are about people”
      Should be:
      ” burned than they are about people”

      PS If Obama had done this, would they still be concerned?

  28. I’m not sure the auhor understands supply and demand. Just because there is potentially a greater supply of a product does not mean you demand more of it on top of what you already need simply because the availabilty improves.

    “…with the bulk of it ending up in South Korea, Japan and China”

    South Korea will just further reduce imports from other countries such as Australia and use what they require, with the benefit of simplified logistics. Japan will likely give them the finger given their long history, and China will just use the same business oriented energy policy as usual and go with whoever gives them a better deal because that’s what they do. As for the DPRK burning more coal, I don’t think dictators really give a toss about their population living in the dark, that’s a good thing for them both on a physical and metaphorical level.

    Alarmists must think that wealthy nations just import coal and burn in it open pits for no reason other than because they can and to simply piss them off. If anything it’s more likely to be a good thing environmentally seeing as there wil be fewer ships travelling long distances across oceans to deliver coal, emissions are just as likely to go down as up.

    In all likelihood, nothing chnges one way or ther other except the increased decibel level of incessant left wing screeching.

  29. The “progressives” committed to nonsense science and misanthropic claptrap and will defend their mistake to the death.

  30. Typical: millions dead from atomic bombs is okay with the ‘progressive’ clones instead of CO2 and cheap power for citizens. These Thusians are Mal indeed.

  31. Now that the summit has apparently fallen through ewe can expect articles that “prove” not having a deal will accelerate global warming.

  32. He who controls the vocabulary wins the argument—once again. Those who equated Global Warming to Anthropogenic Global Warming won a victory for the left, and those who blindly go along with it surrender. The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is controlled by the surface ocean currents and temperature (not the other way around) via Henry’s Law, and if man wants to change the concentration he either has to change the ocean temperature, make a large dent in the 36,000 GtC IPCC estimates in the ocean, or change the meaning of words. The temperature of the climate, and hence of the ocean, follows the changes in solar radiation, tiny changes according to IPCC, but greatly amplified by cloud cover changes concealed by IPCC. Those temperatures on average follow the Sun with millennium scale lags, utterly beyond IPCC climatologists’ modeling skills.

    Tobacco became addictive in 1994 when Congressman Waxman led the change in the definition of addiction. Inflation became independent of increasing the money supply in the late 30s when liberal economists of the day abbreviated the definition from “an increase in the money that causes a general rise in prices” to “a general rise in prices”, with the desired effect that the government could incur debt with no “inflationary” consequences. Sugar became toxic when activists changed the definition of toxic, as if the deadly twin epidemics of the 70s in obesity and diabetes (caused by sugar replacing fat in food stuffs following the FDA and AHA buying into Ancel Keys’ phony fat scare) weren’t enough.

    These are all examples of pseudoscients successfully masquerading as scientists while pointing gnarly fingers at the deniers, whom they lump as ignoramuses of various persuasions. These accusers are academic fools — they know not and know not that they know not — rather like their climate models that can predict nothing. The fool’s cap here is a mortarboard.

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