Comments on: How not to measure temperature, part 53: Find the NOAA thermometer in this picture http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/ Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts Sat, 17 May 2008 18:51:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Hay Springs MMTS Adjustment Still Wrong | Atmoz http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8770 Hay Springs MMTS Adjustment Still Wrong | Atmoz Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:59:43 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8770 [...] of Eli Rabbett. I was drawn to this particular surface station by a post by Anthony Watts about the microsite bias that would be introduced at this site due to siting issues. I noticed that immediately after the [...] [...] of Eli Rabbett. I was drawn to this particular surface station by a post by Anthony Watts about the microsite bias that would be introduced at this site due to siting issues. I noticed that immediately after the [...]

]]> By: Stan Needham http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8702 Stan Needham Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:35:28 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8702 Tom Richard, I enjoyed your linked article. I live about 200 miles east of Chicago and enjoy (or not) similar weather. The take-home line of the entire article is the last line: <i>“Everything goes through cycles,” he said.</i> Tom Richard,

I enjoyed your linked article. I live about 200 miles east of Chicago and enjoy (or not) similar weather. The take-home line of the entire article is the last line:

“Everything goes through cycles,” he said.

]]> By: Tom Richard http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8697 Tom Richard Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:14:57 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8697 Hi Anthony, Thought you'd find this article of particular interest. Some of the comments in it are very illuminating, though I doubt not surprising to you. ;) http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2008/03/031908olbv_weather.php Hi Anthony,
Thought you’d find this article of particular interest. Some of the comments in it are very illuminating, though I doubt not surprising to you. ;)

http://www.swnewsherald.com/news_frontpage/2008/03/031908olbv_weather.php

]]> By: We’re Here Because you are Looking for the Best of the Best of the Best, Sir! | Atmoz http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8692 We’re Here Because you are Looking for the Best of the Best of the Best, Sir! | Atmoz Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:29:36 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8692 [...] the surface station at Hay Springs fits the above criteria for “goodness” [see also Watts Up, [...] [...] the surface station at Hay Springs fits the above criteria for “goodness” [see also Watts Up, [...]

]]> By: Bruce Foutch http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8684 Bruce Foutch Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:55:48 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8684 FYI: From the Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 10, Issue 4 (August 1953) pp. 244–261, ON THE CAUSES OF INSTRUMENTALLY OBSERVED SECULAR TEMPERATURE TRENDS J. Murray Mitchell Jr "..., observed temperature records, with few individual exceptions, are concluded to be very misleading as direct measures of macroclimatic change over periods longer than a few decades. ...urban development has contributed local temperature rises at the rate of more than 1F in a century." http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0469%281953%29010%3C0244%3AOTCOIO%3E2.0.CO%3B2 FYI:
From the Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 10, Issue 4 (August 1953) pp. 244–261, ON THE CAUSES OF INSTRUMENTALLY OBSERVED SECULAR TEMPERATURE TRENDS
J. Murray Mitchell Jr

“…, observed temperature records, with few individual exceptions, are concluded to be very misleading as direct measures of macroclimatic change over periods longer than a few decades. …urban development has contributed local temperature rises at the rate of more than 1F in a century.”

http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0469%281953%29010%3C0244%3AOTCOIO%3E2.0.CO%3B2

]]> By: Gary http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8667 Gary Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:32:29 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8667 Jeff, that may have been a locally influenced minimization. The BSA as a private organization can establish its level of religious endorsement wherever it likes. Historically, that's been acknowledgment of the religious aspects of life and some special awards (God and Country) for religiously-motivated service projects. A major emphasis has been on tolerance of the beliefs of other Scouts rather than the promotion of any particular denomination and certainly not proselytizing. Anyway, the point of the Scout Law is respectfulness, honesty, and service - things that the tenets of most religions promote as well. So, not to hijack this thread any further, suffice it to say that Scouts who are properly instructed should be well-prepared to do the surveys. Jeff, that may have been a locally influenced minimization. The BSA as a private organization can establish its level of religious endorsement wherever it likes. Historically, that’s been acknowledgment of the religious aspects of life and some special awards (God and Country) for religiously-motivated service projects. A major emphasis has been on tolerance of the beliefs of other Scouts rather than the promotion of any particular denomination and certainly not proselytizing. Anyway, the point of the Scout Law is respectfulness, honesty, and service - things that the tenets of most religions promote as well.

So, not to hijack this thread any further, suffice it to say that Scouts who are properly instructed should be well-prepared to do the surveys.

]]> By: Jeff Alberts http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8657 Jeff Alberts Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:31:31 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8657 As I recall for the brief time I was a boy scout in the early 70s, there was no mention of god anywhere in the motto. The reverence was to elders and authority, as I recall. As I recall for the brief time I was a boy scout in the early 70s, there was no mention of god anywhere in the motto. The reverence was to elders and authority, as I recall.

]]> By: Bruce Foutch http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8655 Bruce Foutch Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:10:35 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8655 re: John Goetz While we wait for (impose on ;-) Mr. Watts to send us our respective e-mail addresses, here is something I stumbled across that you might find useful: http://climate.rutgers.edu/stateclim/?section=menu&%20target=weather_pubs The Weather Where You Live: Revisited Dr. David A. Robinson NJ State Climatologist Rutgers University June 2006 from this web site: "While the updated list is likely not exhaustive, it includes 137 references for 39 states, along with publications addressing the District of Columbia, the Great Lakes, New England, several broad regions and one that provides a Canadian overview. The oldest reference is from 1847 (look under Pennsylvania), the latest from 2006." re: John Goetz

While we wait for (impose on ;-) Mr. Watts to send us our respective e-mail addresses, here is something I stumbled across that you might find useful:

http://climate.rutgers.edu/stateclim/?section=menu&%20target=weather_pubs

The Weather Where You Live: Revisited
Dr. David A. Robinson
NJ State Climatologist
Rutgers University
June 2006

from this web site: “While the updated list is likely not exhaustive, it includes 137 references for 39 states, along with publications addressing the District of Columbia, the Great Lakes, New England, several broad regions and one that provides a Canadian overview. The oldest reference is from 1847 (look under Pennsylvania), the latest from 2006.”

]]> By: John Goetz http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8653 John Goetz Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:43:54 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8653 Hey Anthony (or should I say Andrew??), hopefully you don't think I'm applying the pressure to an already over-busy man !!! Hey Anthony (or should I say Andrew??), hopefully you don’t think I’m applying the pressure to an already over-busy man !!!

]]> By: John Goetz http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-53-find-the-noaa-thermometer-in-this-picture/#comment-8652 John Goetz Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:34:34 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=902#comment-8652 Re: Bruce Foutch I'd be happy to exchange emails with you. I have thought in the past it would be useful to have a bulletin board where station surveyors could exchange information on how they have done surveys. The idea would be to discuss experiences in locating stations, making appointments to do the survey, interviewing the operator, etc. Here, I think it would be useful to have a bulletin board where "historical station surveyors" could exchange links to old USHCN site photographs and histories. I'm as fascinated by where the stations used to be as where they are today. In this case I created a thread on the Climate Audit bulletin board titled <cite>USHCN Station History</cite> and you can find a link to it <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=187&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <strong>REPLY:</strong> Actually I'm working on that bulletin board. Re: Bruce Foutch

I’d be happy to exchange emails with you.

I have thought in the past it would be useful to have a bulletin board where station surveyors could exchange information on how they have done surveys. The idea would be to discuss experiences in locating stations, making appointments to do the survey, interviewing the operator, etc.

Here, I think it would be useful to have a bulletin board where “historical station surveyors” could exchange links to old USHCN site photographs and histories. I’m as fascinated by where the stations used to be as where they are today. In this case I created a thread on the Climate Audit bulletin board titled USHCN Station History and you can find a link to it here.

REPLY: Actually I’m working on that bulletin board.

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