Comments on: All we need are a few good trees, er, sticks…

By: Larry Sheldon

Larry Sheldon — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:11:35 +0000

“I’m a newby here. Will someone post a link to what the Mann hockey stick looks like after McIntyre’s statistical corrections are applied?”

Here is a pointer to a collection of stuff–if that doesn’t help, somebody that actually knows what they are talking about will have to step up.

http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=354

By: Robert

Robert — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:54:19 +0000

I’m a newby here. Will someone post a link to what the Mann hockey stick looks like after McIntyre’s statistical corrections are applied? Maybe a before and after would be better. Thanks.

By: kim

kim — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:40:09 +0000

Obviously your model is an amateur. Those sticks aren’t effective unless they are rotated 180 degrees on the axis of the shaft.
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REPLY: Well, they are hockey sticks, so more difficult to hold than regular sticks.

By: Larry Sheldon

Larry Sheldon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:59:10 +0000

Thought the thing with the sticks was called “witching”.

By: JohnMD1022

JohnMD1022 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:35:32 +0000

David Jay (10:38:45) :

Matt:

Well, duh!

It shows that current temps aren’t historically extreme. Everyone knows that 1998 was the hottest year in the last 10,000,000,000 years!

It was? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm…. check that, please

By: SteveSadlov

SteveSadlov — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:34:32 +0000

BCPs function more like a cross between cacti and epiphytes. The soil they grow in, at the time the cold season sets in, is typically nearly or completely lacking in interstitial moisture. Therefore, the soil does not “freeze” in any sense that would be recognizable to people “back East” or “up North.” I was at upper treeline, in the Basin and Range, last week. Each day, temperatures would start out in the teens, then reach highs in the 40s, due to the effects of a slow moving High Pressure ridge. Due to the snow pack, the soil would receive a small amount of melt, just enough to wet the top few centimeters. This would then freeze. But then, one day, there was a SE wind, from the deepest desert, which resulted in morning melt and complete drying during that day. So, when the temps dropped that particular night, there was nothing to freeze.

Here were some additional observations. Pines and firs of all species appeared to be greening up, already. Any moisture they can get, they will try to take in, on any day of the year.

Lower down, at about 5500 feet, there was already green grass. The grass gets almost all its moisture from snow melt, as during summer, the Pacific High results in a seasonal drought. The only exception is hit or miss thunderstorms, which may form locally or be brought in by the SW Monsoon. However, that is a highly unreliable source. I digress. The green grass popping up, in a place where there is daily freeze thaw of the top few centimeters of soil, breaks all the “Back East” rules regarding such things. That grass will undoubtedly experience additional coverings by the snow pack, prior to the May cut off. And it will be loving every minute of it.

Water, however it comes, is manna from heaven.

In dry world, things are different.

By: Hasse@Norway

Hasse@Norway — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:04:32 +0000

Re MattN
Because it uses more than one proxy, it’s completly open to anyone and no methodology is hidden. Also it’s not hockeystickshaped and has a MWP. It doesn’t even have an algore-ithm that creates a hockey stick. Therefore it’s denialist and absolutely crazy.

By: David Jay

David Jay — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:38:45 +0000

Matt:

Well, duh!

It shows that current temps aren’t historically extreme. Everyone knows that 1998 was the hottest year in the last 10,000,000,000 years!

By: MattN

MattN — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:46:03 +0000

Why hasn’t Craig Loehel’s non-tree ring temp reconstruction been more widely publicized?

http://signals.auditblogs.com/files/2007/11/l07.png

By: Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle)

Jeff Alberts (was Jeff in Seattle) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:31:04 +0000

I’ve got a Bristlecone growing in my yard. They’re strange trees. The branches are rubbery, and ooze sap from most places.

As I posted on CA, My wife is a Horticulturist and says Pines depend on heavy fall rains to survive severe winter freezes (not really a problem in Western Washington), and growth rings would probably more show precip than anything else.