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	<title>Comments on: Ice between Canada and SW Greenland: highest level in 15 years.</title>
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	<description>Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Boy toys world &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Links You&#8217;ve Been Looking For</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/ice-between-canada-and-sw-greenland-highest-level-in-15-years/#comment-16128</link>
		<dc:creator>Boy toys world &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Links You&#8217;ve Been Looking For</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] afraid that all the polar ice is melting, you might be surprised to learn that, in some key areas, we have the most sea ice in 15 years. There are also the new findings from NASA and independently reported in the journal Nature as well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] afraid that all the polar ice is melting, you might be surprised to learn that, in some key areas, we have the most sea ice in 15 years. There are also the new findings from NASA and independently reported in the journal Nature as well [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Never Yet Melted &#187; Bush Interior Department Places Facts on Endangered List</title>
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		<dc:creator>Never Yet Melted &#187; Bush Interior Department Places Facts on Endangered List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arctic ice levels are at their highest point in 15 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arctic ice levels are at their highest point in 15 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Expanding Polar Bear Population Living on Expanding Polar Ice are Now a Threatened Species &#124; The Sundries Shack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expanding Polar Bear Population Living on Expanding Polar Ice are Now a Threatened Species &#124; The Sundries Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more. The ice between Greenland and Canada extended farther south than it had in the past 15 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more. The ice between Greenland and Canada extended farther south than it had in the past 15 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ocaladon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ocaladon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all so much Barbra Streisand, I think That I will go out and buy more Ammo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all so much Barbra Streisand, I think That I will go out and buy more Ammo!</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No One can predict the extent and thickness of the sea ice.  It is known from recent history (about 100 years or so in the past) that the ice conditions vary considerably from year to year.  Amundson took his small boat through the northwest passage a little over 100 years ago.  But there is no scientific data for much of that period.   Some scientists say you cannot determine ice thickness without actual empirical measurements on the ice itself.  Others use computer models while sitting in their offices in some city.  

At this point, I find this whole debate about sea ice bordering on the preposterous.

Of course, we should continue studying the ice conditions in the arctic to learn as much as we can,  but refrain from making dubious predictions and hysterical public announcements.  These sciences are in their infancy and are not reliable predictive sciences.  They have enough trouble measuring present conditions and know very little about past ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No One can predict the extent and thickness of the sea ice.  It is known from recent history (about 100 years or so in the past) that the ice conditions vary considerably from year to year.  Amundson took his small boat through the northwest passage a little over 100 years ago.  But there is no scientific data for much of that period.   Some scientists say you cannot determine ice thickness without actual empirical measurements on the ice itself.  Others use computer models while sitting in their offices in some city.  </p>
<p>At this point, I find this whole debate about sea ice bordering on the preposterous.</p>
<p>Of course, we should continue studying the ice conditions in the arctic to learn as much as we can,  but refrain from making dubious predictions and hysterical public announcements.  These sciences are in their infancy and are not reliable predictive sciences.  They have enough trouble measuring present conditions and know very little about past ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Texas Aggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas Aggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The US Coast Guard is already planning to increase its presence in the Arctic to support shipping. They know a thing or two about the ocean. Does it sound like they are expecting an increase in sea ice?"

Perhaps they are.  Sea ice is extremely hazardous to shipping.  More presence may indeed be required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The US Coast Guard is already planning to increase its presence in the Arctic to support shipping. They know a thing or two about the ocean. Does it sound like they are expecting an increase in sea ice?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps they are.  Sea ice is extremely hazardous to shipping.  More presence may indeed be required.</p>
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		<title>By: roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi from Seattle, Washington USA......  our entire region has experienced record cold this winter and almost 200% of normal snowfall in the mountains,.... glaciers on Mt St Helens are expanding ......and still our media and politicians are warning us about global warming........WOW when will the masses realize that the "emperor has no clothes" ???

By they way when Al Gore was VP he "climbed" Mt Rainier using helicopters for much of the transportation to the mountain ,  including his multitutde of his security detail as well has who knows who accompanies the President and VP on such outings.......

And also Al Gore received a speeding ticket from an Oregon State Police Trooper in about 2004 (the little gas wasting speed demon"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi from Seattle, Washington USA&#8230;&#8230;  our entire region has experienced record cold this winter and almost 200% of normal snowfall in the mountains,&#8230;. glaciers on Mt St Helens are expanding &#8230;&#8230;and still our media and politicians are warning us about global warming&#8230;&#8230;..WOW when will the masses realize that the &#8220;emperor has no clothes&#8221; ???</p>
<p>By they way when Al Gore was VP he &#8220;climbed&#8221; Mt Rainier using helicopters for much of the transportation to the mountain ,  including his multitutde of his security detail as well has who knows who accompanies the President and VP on such outings&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And also Al Gore received a speeding ticket from an Oregon State Police Trooper in about 2004 (the little gas wasting speed demon&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jest a reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jest a reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extent without thickness doesnt provide valuable information. I'll reserve opinion until at least next summer. 

The US Coast Guard is already planning to increase its presence in the Arctic to support shipping. They know a thing or two about the ocean. Does it sound like they are expecting an increase in sea ice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extent without thickness doesnt provide valuable information. I&#8217;ll reserve opinion until at least next summer. </p>
<p>The US Coast Guard is already planning to increase its presence in the Arctic to support shipping. They know a thing or two about the ocean. Does it sound like they are expecting an increase in sea ice?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Pete</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/ice-between-canada-and-sw-greenland-highest-level-in-15-years/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 06:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Brisbane  (Eastern Seaboard Australia) we have just had the coolest summer in 30 years.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Brisbane  (Eastern Seaboard Australia) we have just had the coolest summer in 30 years.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Gigman</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/16/ice-between-canada-and-sw-greenland-highest-level-in-15-years/#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>Gigman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big worry about giving any importance for such a one year trend is that it might come back and haunt us later when there is a sharp increase in temperature or decrease in ice mass (especially when the forecast for 2008 is higher temperature http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080104091616.htm)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big worry about giving any importance for such a one year trend is that it might come back and haunt us later when there is a sharp increase in temperature or decrease in ice mass (especially when the forecast for 2008 is higher temperature <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080104091616.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080104091616.htm</a>)</p>
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